Remember those stats?
That was the line from Scott Brosius in his first season as a New York Yankee. It went along with 34 doubles, 19 homers, 98 RBI, an outstanding glove at third base, and a World Series MVP to cap an unbelievable 1998 season.
He was, perhaps, the last great trade from the unmatched Michael/Watson regime, attained from the Oakland A's for a player-to-be-named later who turned out to be Kenny Rogers, the man who was not only addition by subtraction but went on to torment the New York Mets, as well.
Brosius had a terrific 1998, one that Stick and company no doubt discerned could happen from the very good, two-thirds of a 1996 he had in Oakland.
But that was pretty much that.
Oh, sure, Brosius remained a useful piece of the puzzle for the rest of his Yankees career. He won a Gold Glove in 1999, and had some key postseason hits—enough that we even forgive him that mental blip that contributed mightily to the 2001, ninth-inning Meltdown in the Desert that traumatized us all so much.
We loved us from Scotty, who Coops Cashman promptly re-signed for a relatively cheap, $15,750,000 for three years after that 1998 campaign.
Hey, he deserved it.
But after that re-signing, of course, it was then alleged that the Yankees had a "logjam" at third.
It somehow became imperative that the Yanks' can't-miss, Triple-A third baseman, Mike Lowell, who had ripped wherever he went in the minors, and looked pretty good in a cup of coffee in the Bronx, be traded.
And so it was.
Brian Cashman, in all his Hall-of-Fame wisdom, promptly death Lowell to the then-Florida Marlins for his version of the Holy Grail, "three strong young arms": Todd Noel, Mark Johnson, and the immortal Ed Yarnall.
And then, lo and behold, Mike Lowell was diagnosed with testicular cancer in February of 1999. 'Aw, tough break, what a terrible thing,' we all said—and in deep, secret alcoves of our brain thanked our lucky stars that we had got rid of this dying man.
Well, we all know how that came out.
Between them, those three strong young arms won exactly 1 major-league game. Mike Lowell went on to become a Silver-Slugging, Gold-Gloving, perennial all-star who helped not only the Marlins to a World Series victory—over a certain New York team—but also helped take your Boston Red Sox to a Series sweep. In which he was the Series MVP.
Moreover, had he remained with the Yanks, the A-Rod deal, with all of its attendant trusts, probably never would have happened—whatever you might think of that.
Brosius, after 1998, hit .247, .230, and .287, his number of games played steadily diminishing. He never approached his 1998 highs again.
(And his presence for just one more year kept the Yanks from signing A-Rod earlier, and missing out on three of his greatest years at the plate, from 2001-2003—whatever you might think of that.)
I'm saying all this because the Gammonites—and most of our fellow fans, and, horribly, maybe our general manager—have convinced ourselves that we now have "a logjam" at 3B, and that someone must go. And all too often, the one who we're told must go is Miguel Andujar.
Sure, maybe Gio Urshela, who just pulled off a rip-roaring season at the plate at age 27 is for real as a hitter—even though he never show anything like that before in the bigs. And sure, he's an infinitely better glove at the hot corner than El Matador, and always will be.
But is he another Brosius? Are we really going to be so in to Gio's fielding when he's hitting .230 with 10 home runs?
And maybe El Matador hurt himself so badly in that freak accident this season that he'll never be the same.
Or, just maybe, after we've traded Andujar for "a power arm!" or even a very good CF, and he's leading the NL in hitting—all right, at first base or in left field—and driving one team after another to a World Series title, we won't be so glad we traded him after all.
Even to break up that alleged "logjam."
All I know is that from the moment he put on pinstripes, Miguel Andujar looked to me like one of the best natural hitters I've ever seen. To get rid of him for almost anything available, will be a mistake we will rue for many years to come.
I think the runs Ursela saves the Yankees with his glove will outweigh the difference in RBI's between he and Andujar.
ReplyDeleteYou speak the truth, Hoss or, as we call you here in the Black Hills, "Horse With Pen."
ReplyDeleteKwazy Kash has gotten away with hit mediocre performance for so long that his moves are never questioned. His long tenure has made him untouchable. He's a bit like the J. Edgar Hoover of baseball, except he doesn't have the dirt on anybody. His seat has molded itself to the chair in his office.
As we know, there's only one person who could fire Cashman, but that person would have to care about the team. He doesn't. Checkmate.
I am honored by that title, 13bit!
ReplyDeleteLeinstery, that's an interesting thesis.
Baseball reference puts Gio's "runs saved" at third in 2019 at -4. In other words, he COST the Yankees 4 runs more than the average third baseman in the league last year. Miggy, in 2018, was at -25.
To me, this only confirms my general thoughts about most fielding statistics, which is that they are badly flawed. Despite a couple big errors, nobody who actually watched the games last year could possibly conclude that Gio was worse than your average 3B. And I also seriously doubt that El Matador was SO bad that he cost the Yanks 25 runs.
But let's say those stats are correct—which they probably are, in terms of determining the RELATIVE merit of these two guys in the field.
That puts Gio 21 runs ahead. And since Andujar drove in 92 runs in 2018, and Gio drove in 74 in 2019, that means that, yes, Gio is a net 3 runs ahead of El Matador.
But we are, let us remember, talking Gio's absolute best year ever, anywhere, after 11 years of pro ball, compared to Miggy's rookie year in the majors—which was also fully in keeping with the minor-league player Miggy became.
In other words, I'd say the odds are much, much higher that if Andujar is physically all right, he will overcome that 3 run deficit than the other way around.
Now, fortunately, the Yanks don't have to choose. As Alphonso and I keep advocating, they can try putting Miggy in left field, and there's always 1B or DH.
I'm just saying, don't trade Andujar for one of Brian Cashman's patented, "strong young arm" washouts.
I also wouldn't throw this extremely talented 24-year-old into a deal for an already 30-year-old CF who has never driven in more than 82 runs in his life, and whose speed numbers are already on the decline (Hmm, who does that remind us of?).
WOW...
ReplyDelete20 YEARS LATER THE COOP "BOMBS" KEEP COMING.
WHAT A DISASTER THAT LOWELL TRADE WAS, WHEW....
I CLEARLY REMEMBER THE GARY SHEFFIELD TRADE WAS OF THE SAME ILK...
HE CAME OFF A 30 SOMETHING HOME RUN, 102 RBI SEASON AND WE DEALT HIM FOR 3 "POWER ARMS".
ALL 3 WERE A DISASTER. (HUMBERTO SANCHEZ WAS THE HEADLINER).
ADD CARL PAVANO, JARET WRIGHT, RANDY JOHNSON, KEVIN BROWN, JAVIER VASQUEZ TWICE, DENNY NEAGLE, KENNY RODGERS, PAUL QUANTRILL, FELIX HEREDIA, STEVE KARSAY, STEVEN DREW, CHASE HEADLEY, BEN FRANCISCO, TRAVIS HAFNER, LYLE OVERBAY, VERNON WELLS.....AND...
SOMEBODY STOP ME!!!
......(AND I DIDN'T EVEN GET TO THE WORST ACQUISITIONS YET)!
JACOBY
AND
GIANCARLO
HAL NEEDS AN ADJUDICATOR TO REVIEW ALL THIS SHIT BECAUSE FOR EVERY VOIT, TAUCHMAN, URSHELA, AND GREEN BROUGHT IN, THERE ARE 3 TIMES THE "BOMBS" COSTING THE TEAM A FORTUNE WITH CRAPOLA RESULTS.
It's going to be a long off-season, at the end of which we'll have to read the counterfeit optimism from the Gammonites and the Yankee propaganda network. Then, the final indignity, we'll have to follow them the whole season and see the same thing happen: no clutch hitting and a lack of starting pitching, the same spate of injuries and the same blank-faced Boone bullshit. It gets tired after a while. It really does.
ReplyDeleteALL-CAPS, the only one I'll dispute you on was Steve Karsay, who actually pitched pretty well filling in for an injured Mariano in 2002. Went 6-4, 12 saves, 3.26 ERA. He also got the win in our only postseason victory that year.
ReplyDeleteTrouble was, Torre simply pitched him to death once Mo went down—as he did with most middle relievers. Karsay missed the whole next year, and barely pitched again.
But you're very right about Sheffield. We never should've signed him over Vlad, and then he was dumped for nothing. Of course, Coops blamed the signing on Mad George, but who knows? And it was Coops who blew the trade!
Fielding stats are still in the BA era. They tell us very little of real value.
ReplyDeleteHOSS, I BARELY REMEMBER US GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF KARSAY, BUT IF YOU SAY IT, AND THE STATS SHOW IT, I BELIEVE IT.
ReplyDeleteI DO REMEMBER REPEATEDLY TELLING MYSELF, "WHAT A WASTE".
I THINK WE SIGNED HIM FOR 3 YEARS, AND ONLY GOT THE 1 YEAR OUT OF HIM. HE WAS ALWAYS HURT. THERE WAS ALWAYS A PROBLEM.
I STILL CONSIDER HIM A CERTIFIED "CASHMAN CLUNKER".
ALL-CAPS, the one thing I give Coops a break on are all the relievers Torre pitched out. It was, I think, his greatest failing as a manager—and I loved old Joe.
ReplyDeleteBut once somebody showed him something as a middle reliever, Joe would just pitch him into the ground. Karsay, Quantrill, Scott Procter, etc. Totally unnecessary.
@HoraceClarke66, yeah, I agree with your article 100%. But it seems you're preaching to the choir. Got to wait for young players to develop. And the more talented, the longer you should wait and eschew stupid trades. Now, if Tampa were to give us their entire pitching staff for Andujar, that would be something, but obviously that ain't happening.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to say exactly how much of all this mess during the last two decades is Cashman's fault. We don't know the inner workings of the Yankee management. If I was to venture to guess, I'd say about 75% of this is Cashman's crap, with about 25% input from other Yankee bigwigs. That said, bottom line is we have one World Series Championship during almost the last two decades. What happened to accountability in this organization? Mad George must be turning over in his grave. I know George went nuts sometimes, but there's got to be a happy medium. I don't want to see Cashman as GM for the next two decades.
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Great article. Just read where the Rangers are very interested in Andujar. Please, please...no. Do not trade Andujar. He likely will be a superstar player, even if it is just for his bat. Talent like his doesn't come around often.
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