Congrats Josh Donaldson, you have now been promoted to the #1 punching bag of Yankee fans! I'll start. You piece of trash....geettouttahehhh! Maybe you can play defense but get a big hit??? Fuuhhghettaboudit!!
I joke, but it's true...it has been brewing for weeks (months?) already.
The Yankees want better defense in CF, so Cashman gives away a first-rate lefty starter for essentially NOTHING in return, when all they had to do was promote Florial to achieve that goal? Cashman must have an IQ of 80, tops.
I honestly think part of this preference for white nonentities like Bader over someone like Florial is organizational racism. I've long believed that the Yankees have a tacita quota on black players. I can't prove it, but I suspect it as part of the right-wing martial All-American ethos inherited from George.
That is a bizarrely bad trade. Sevvy just went on the DL for—let's face it—the rest of the season. Of course you need to hang on to every starter you have, even a mediocrity like Montgomery.
And to get rid of him for...this?
Barney, I do start to wonder if you're right about institutional racism.
I think this now may be Cashman's worst ever trade deadline bonanza.
Every time the The Intern makes a deal, I fully expect him to not only miss the boat on the best deals, but make stupid, insensible deals like this one, and he never disappoints. In fact, he manages to lower my expectations with every passing year.
I think Barney is right about this Bader acquisition. There is definitely some institutional racism afoot here. Notice how the Yankees always seem to limit their number of everyday players who are black. The darker they are, the less likely they are to be brought in. If you think about why they passed up on Juan Soto, it certainly makes a lot of sense. He's got a dark complexion.
Right after I heard about this Bader for Montgomery trade, I did think that it smacked of racial prejudice. Out of all the outfielder guys out there, you bring in a guy who can't even play because he's got a bum foot, plantar faasciitis? That foot condition ain't going away anytime soon. That's a chronic kind of injury that pops up all the time and has to be managed.
It also makes clear why they stuck with Gallo for so long. And why they bring up Locastro all the time. And why they brought it Benintendi. It's possible that management believes that bringing in Italian-Americans will bring in Italian-American fans to fill the seats and buy up YES network subcriptions. But still, to pass up blatantly obvious solutions in favor of color coding players? That's institutional racism.
Gee, I wonder if this "racism" isn't a result of Blacks having a 12% population share in the population. Are 12% of organized baseball players Black? No, I don't think so. Maybe Black kids prefer basketball, the biggest Pro Stars in the past 40 years are Black. Maybe just a case of hero worship for Black kids. Hell, I don't know. Don't care. Now of course we can start a discussion about the racist NBA blackballing Whites. Have we really gone this low? People have been so brainwashed by the "media" that of course racism is at the root of things we don't like. Trading for Hader because of Shade is bullshit.
I still don't understand trading a front-line pitcher away when that was the need to begin with. Maybe The Brain knows what he's doing. Time will tell.
Trading lefty starting pitching for a defense first, middling at best, possibly hurt centerfielder? Is FA looming for Monty? Is this roster shaping/payroll management?
First off, trading Monty for a decent fielder but shitty hitter is just fucking stupid. Seriously. But let's not jump to the racism card. I'm sure they tried to procure Castillo but were offered a better package by the Mariners.
@Kevin, I don't think the percentages matter. In fact, I think there is a lot higher concentration of black or Hispanic players in baseball than in the American population. Either way, percentages aside, the things that Yankee management does certainly smack of racist tendencies. Have you noticed that they never bring in dark complexioned everyday players? They do have some dark complexions in the pitching department, but not really in the everyday players. It certainly makes you wonder whether this stupid prejudice got in the way of getting Soto. I think it was probably a factor.
I’m having a hard time coming up with a sentence that puts John Sterling’s nickname and our new very white outfielders last name immediately adjacent. “Who do you think we should trade for, Master?” “Bader” is the closest I can get.
@BJPB, yeah, but when you look at the totality of all the things they've done, stupidity does not really explain most of it. Stupidity would be to bring in someone "great" without really checking on his medical records or ignoring obvious signs of age, injuries, etc. They do have a strong tendency to bring in white everyday players. They also a strong tendency to torpedo their own season by bringing mediocrity. There's definitely some racist prejudice going on, along with a lot of a whole lotta not wanting to win, probably for HAL's own private financial reasons.
OK, I'll bite. How is trading one pasty face cracker for another pasty face cracker racist?
Stupid, absolutely.
Racist? I dunno. Not looking from my porch.
I do get how Italian guys are attractive for selling tickets, but so are Japanese guys. The Rangers 20 years ago (or more, I'm old and forgot to take my prevagen) fielded an entire starting lineup of Spanish surnames. Which can be helpful selling tickets in Texas when your team is horrible.
And the Boston fan base is still the most racist in the country. Not all, maybe not even most. But way too many who are way too loud.
Not just one trade, but an overall long-standing pattern of which the trade is one example--and not just the trade, but the acquisition of another mediocre white outfielder when two better and younger black outfielders are languishing at AAA.
What do St. Louis fans think about the trade? Here is a representative statement that is also very astute from a commenter I'm the St Louis Post- Dispatch.
Cauliflower 55m ago
I'll miss Bader but Montgomery is a solid addition to the rotation. It's rare to get a good starting pitcher for an injury-prone center fielder.
Here's a non sequitur....buy a copy of the Casino Royale soundtrack. The 60s one. And make sure you get the LP on the Colgrems label. It is fucking amazing. The better your stereo, the better it will sound.
Trust me. And Belefonte at Carnegie Hall, of you get an original pressing. Holy cow.
@Hammer, the most of the seventies and eighties teams were predominantly Black. Why would the culture of ownership change? How does the team benefit? Especially when it's Hip to be Black (ahem, sorry). IMO, baseball teams' racial make-up randomly cycles over a few years. Had we landed Soto, we would have quickly wound up with a top heavy, gutted team, also known as "The Angels".
@JM, I found, thanks for suggestion,those old LPs can be magnificent. Amazon had a 200 gr, well they didn't have one, it was sold out with no info on the pressing. K
@Kevin, not sure why the "culture of ownership" would change, or even if it has changed. Perhaps the stat crunchers reported to management that having mostly white players on the field increases ticket sales and revenue. Unless you're on the inside, how can you know?
As for landing Soto, not sure why you'd think that we'd wind up with a "top heavy, gutted team" like the Angels. Soto is hitting only around .245 this year, but he's been walked more than anyone else. Only 24 years old. Younger than many of our "prospects". I think we needed a top notch lefty hitter to compete with the ASS-stros in the playoffs. Benintendi doesn't do it for me.
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Or, "is up."
Joey Gallo to Dodgers. I don't care if he hits .795 from here.
Aug 2 2022 just became a banner day!
3:00PM: The Gallo trade has been officially announced....
To celebrate here's an Old-West-Twitch-Dirge
Please sing along . . .
Gallo
Oh Gallo
He's Blue
He's Through
Oh Gallo
There goes Gallo
Away
Today
Hey Hey
Today
OK
KK
KKK
KKKKKKKKKKKKKK
So many Ks
Taken far away
Today
YAY! YAY!
YAY!
Bet A Million Butler: " What was that Superman?"
https://www.tzr.io/yarn-clip/a15b6124-55ea-4e66-a054-d28537bafdb9
Last second Bombshell?
Per Jack Curry, a Gleyber Torres may be in the works.
born to
link? cause I'm not seeing that. I hope it's for a 3rd baseman
Kershaw would get a hit before Gallo.
Congrats Josh Donaldson, you have now been promoted to the #1 punching bag of Yankee fans! I'll start. You piece of trash....geettouttahehhh! Maybe you can play defense but get a big hit??? Fuuhhghettaboudit!!
I joke, but it's true...it has been brewing for weeks (months?) already.
https://yanksgoyard.com/2022/08/02/yankees-gleyber-torres-trade-rumors-2022-trade-deadline/
Looks like said it on YES. I haven’t seen anything else about it, but I’m banned from Twitter.
Normally, he’s pretty accurate.
Thanks. Yeah, they should trade him if thy can get a good return. I don't like his inner clock. Third baseman please!
Yankees have sent Jordan Montgomery to the Cards for Harrison Bader
Bader is currently on the DL with plantar fasciitis. The Yankees have wanted better defense in CF and to get Judge out of CF to protect his legs
Wow! The end of Hicks?
This seems like a bad deal
So a Beeter and a Bader
Montgomery for a CF on the IL who doesn't hit any better than the Hick?
he's hurt so he can't play.
Who the fuck made this trade?
Didn't Johnny Damon get derailed by planer facitis?
Bader: seems very mediocre. RH. Not a lot of pop, can run a little. Good defender. On the IL!
Think we could’ve gotten a little more.
The Yankees just gave away a young lefty. For nothing. Less than nothing.
Oh, well Suzyn, you can't predict baseball and you can't have enough pitching.
The way the Yanks are setup now, Montgomery would not make the playoff roster. They have their starters and relievers.
The Yankees want better defense in CF, so Cashman gives away a first-rate lefty starter for essentially NOTHING in return, when all they had to do was promote Florial to achieve that goal? Cashman must have an IQ of 80, tops.
That is being generous
And where does that leave Miggy and Florial? Nowhere.
The Intern basically gave away Monty for nothing. A completely needless trade.
I honestly think part of this preference for white nonentities like Bader over someone like Florial is organizational racism. I've long believed that the Yankees have a tacita quota on black players. I can't prove it, but I suspect it as part of the right-wing martial All-American ethos inherited from George.
tacit
I don't think that last press conference Monty had helped his cause...
Maybe something to that Barney...
I think the Yanks are thinking Bader come October when they need a gold glove fielder in the late innings...just don't call him Jack...
I want to see The Intern rappelling down a building at Christmas hanging by his balls.
The Yankees had all the talent in the world to acquire Soto and Bell and instead we wind up with Bader and Beeter. Names that will go down in history.
What bullshit.
And I'm not buying the racist card either. That is utter nonsense.
Once again, while the other GMs are playing checkers, HOF Cashman is playing with himself
German for Bader would go down a lot smoother, but the Cards ain’t that dumb
Long Live Mediocrity!
That is a bizarrely bad trade. Sevvy just went on the DL for—let's face it—the rest of the season. Of course you need to hang on to every starter you have, even a mediocrity like Montgomery.
And to get rid of him for...this?
Barney, I do start to wonder if you're right about institutional racism.
I think this now may be Cashman's worst ever trade deadline bonanza.
Wow - that was sure a trade right there at the end, huh.
Monty and Boone relationship might have become a wee bit toxic
Could have made it to the end with some respectability - but NOPE.
Thanks CASH.
And BTR999 - about all this political controversy - - - -
LOOK, your home planet blew up.
No one believed your father about how everyone was doomed.
If it weren't for your parents - (who are both gone) you would have never made it to earth, let alone be able to participate in this blog.
I sympathize with your need to be political.
I got your back.
Every time the The Intern makes a deal, I fully expect him to not only miss the boat on the best deals, but make stupid, insensible deals like this one, and he never disappoints. In fact, he manages to lower my expectations with every passing year.
Bader won a Gold Glove last year. But yes, as a hitter, he actually ranks behind Hicks.
This makes zero sense. It makes even less sense...to leave Miggy and Florial down in Triple-A. What are they there for???
We are truly fucked.
Miggy, Florial, Torres, and The Martian for Soto.
Monty, Volpe, Peraza, the Ws, and Breaux for Castillo.
Think that would have got it done, in both cases? I think it would have.
Then throw in everything and anything else you have left—including Hicks—to the Cubs for Dave Robertson and Willson Contreras.
Not rocket science.
I think Barney is right about this Bader acquisition. There is definitely some institutional racism afoot here. Notice how the Yankees always seem to limit their number of everyday players who are black. The darker they are, the less likely they are to be brought in. If you think about why they passed up on Juan Soto, it certainly makes a lot of sense. He's got a dark complexion.
Amen, DickAllen. And what Cashman has just done has not only screwed us for this year, but ensured we won't have a top team for years to come.
I've been commenting on the wrong post.
I think they didn't want Taillon so they gave up Monty. A guess. Also With Hicks slumping again, Bader is a CF option for the playoffs.
Barney has something with the unconscious racism angle. Very fishy.
Fuck Cashman.
The Red Sox aren't this racist anymore.
Right after I heard about this Bader for Montgomery trade, I did think that it smacked of racial prejudice. Out of all the outfielder guys out there, you bring in a guy who can't even play because he's got a bum foot, plantar faasciitis? That foot condition ain't going away anytime soon. That's a chronic kind of injury that pops up all the time and has to be managed.
It also makes clear why they stuck with Gallo for so long. And why they bring up Locastro all the time. And why they brought it Benintendi. It's possible that management believes that bringing in Italian-Americans will bring in Italian-American fans to fill the seats and buy up YES network subcriptions. But still, to pass up blatantly obvious solutions in favor of color coding players? That's institutional racism.
Gee, I wonder if this "racism" isn't a result of Blacks having a 12% population share in the population. Are 12% of organized baseball players Black? No, I don't think so. Maybe Black kids prefer basketball, the biggest Pro Stars in the past 40 years are Black. Maybe just a case of hero worship for Black kids. Hell, I don't know. Don't care. Now of course we can start a discussion about the racist NBA blackballing Whites. Have we really gone this low? People have been so brainwashed by the "media" that of course racism is at the root of things we don't like. Trading for Hader because of Shade is bullshit.
I still don't understand trading a front-line pitcher away when that was the need to begin with. Maybe The Brain knows what he's doing. Time will tell.
Trading lefty starting pitching for a defense first, middling at best, possibly hurt centerfielder? Is FA looming for Monty? Is this roster shaping/payroll management?
First off, trading Monty for a decent fielder but shitty hitter is just fucking stupid. Seriously.
But let's not jump to the racism card. I'm sure they tried to procure Castillo but were offered a better package by the Mariners.
All I know is that Miggy and Florial have earned a shot. And I don't get why they aren't getting it.
Kevin doesn't think so. He could look up the percentages, of course, but he's not big on research on facts.
@Kevin, I don't think the percentages matter. In fact, I think there is a lot higher concentration of black or Hispanic players in baseball than in the American population. Either way, percentages aside, the things that Yankee management does certainly smack of racist tendencies. Have you noticed that they never bring in dark complexioned everyday players? They do have some dark complexions in the pitching department, but not really in the everyday players. It certainly makes you wonder whether this stupid prejudice got in the way of getting Soto. I think it was probably a factor.
I always thought Judge’s #1 qualification for Pepsi commercials was his ethnic ambiguity…
Don’t blame racism when stupidity is the more obvious possibility.
Not that I’d put it past them.
I’m having a hard time coming up with a sentence that puts John Sterling’s nickname and our new very white outfielders last name immediately adjacent. “Who do you think we should trade for, Master?” “Bader” is the closest I can get.
One of you English lit majors help me out.
@BJPB, yeah, but when you look at the totality of all the things they've done, stupidity does not really explain most of it. Stupidity would be to bring in someone "great" without really checking on his medical records or ignoring obvious signs of age, injuries, etc. They do have a strong tendency to bring in white everyday players. They also a strong tendency to torpedo their own season by bringing mediocrity. There's definitely some racist prejudice going on, along with a lot of a whole lotta not wanting to win, probably for HAL's own private financial reasons.
OK, I'll bite. How is trading one pasty face cracker for another pasty face cracker racist?
Stupid, absolutely.
Racist? I dunno. Not looking from my porch.
I do get how Italian guys are attractive for selling tickets, but so are Japanese guys. The Rangers 20 years ago (or more, I'm old and forgot to take my prevagen) fielded an entire starting lineup of Spanish surnames. Which can be helpful selling tickets in Texas when your team is horrible.
And the Boston fan base is still the most racist in the country. Not all, maybe not even most. But way too many who are way too loud.
Not just one trade, but an overall long-standing pattern of which the trade is one example--and not just the trade, but the acquisition of another mediocre white outfielder when two better and younger black outfielders are languishing at AAA.
What do St. Louis fans think about the trade? Here is a representative statement that is also very astute from a commenter I'm the St Louis Post- Dispatch.
Cauliflower
55m ago
I'll miss Bader but Montgomery is a solid addition to the rotation. It's rare to get a good starting pitcher for an injury-prone center fielder.
The simplest explanation is always the right one: in this case, the simple explanation in this case is that Thw Intern is incompetent
Why can't it be overdetermined? Cashman can be incompetent AND adhering to an unspoken quota.
They shoulda traded Taillon, but nobody wanted him.
The Yankees are stupid regardless of race. But it is somewhat suspect. Somewhat.
Did I mention that Taillon sucks?
The racism isn't the least bit unconscious.
What a joke that rule is.
He didn't effect the throw at all.
@Hammer, we'd would have to a statistical analysis. Not me, however!
Here's a non sequitur....buy a copy of the Casino Royale soundtrack. The 60s one. And make sure you get the LP on the Colgrems label. It is fucking amazing. The better your stereo, the better it will sound.
Trust me. And Belefonte at Carnegie Hall, of you get an original pressing. Holy cow.
Also, Sinatra -Basie. Holy fuck.
And Duckinson drops the ball and no double play. I've seen this movie.
@Hammer, the most of the seventies and eighties teams were predominantly Black. Why would the culture of ownership change? How does the team benefit? Especially when it's Hip to be Black (ahem, sorry). IMO, baseball teams' racial make-up randomly cycles over a few years. Had we landed Soto, we would have quickly wound up with a top heavy, gutted team, also known as "The Angels".
@JM, WHERE did you find "Casino Royale" Colgrem label?
@JM, I found, thanks for suggestion,those old LPs can be magnificent. Amazon had a 200 gr, well they didn't have one, it was sold out with no info on the pressing. K
@Kevin, not sure why the "culture of ownership" would change, or even if it has changed. Perhaps the stat crunchers reported to management that having mostly white players on the field increases ticket sales and revenue. Unless you're on the inside, how can you know?
As for landing Soto, not sure why you'd think that we'd wind up with a "top heavy, gutted team" like the Angels. Soto is hitting only around .245 this year, but he's been walked more than anyone else. Only 24 years old. Younger than many of our "prospects". I think we needed a top notch lefty hitter to compete with the ASS-stros in the playoffs. Benintendi doesn't do it for me.
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