I loathed Pete Rose as a player, hated him as a manager, disliked him as a codger. The sight of his hunched-over frame, the jowls, the gnome face - old age was not kind. When Rose died last September, I recall being surprised by a sense of sadness for the man, who'd been banned for life from probably the only thing he'd ever loved.
I was particularly struck by the last paragraph in the New York Times obit:
“My actions, which I thought were benign, call the integrity of the game into question,” Rose wrote in “My Prison Without Bars.” “And there’s no excuse for that, but there’s also no reason to punish me forever.”
Listen: Yank fans have achieved a cherished reputation as rage-filled vessels of bile - haters of anything and anyone who gets in our way. We're particularly proud to have despised Curt Schilling long before it became fashionable. And let's face it: While managing the Reds, Rose bet on games, ignoring the first rule of the sport. He deserved to be punished.
But but BUT... we live in a time when pregame shows tout 2-for-1 parlays, prompting bets on everything from the opening kickoff to the final free throw.
That's why yesterday's news - that the great and magnanimous lord of baseball, Rob Manafort, has dropped the lifetime ban on Pete Rose, allowing "Charlie Hustle" to be considered for the Hall - leaves me wanting to drive to Cooperstown and puke on the gates of Doubleday Field.
Now that Rose is dead, MLB can honor - and cash in on - his Name, Image and Likeness - the Three Horsemen of the Modern Apocalypse. What a scam. This isn't just about the MLB Hall of Fame. It's about the Hypocrisy Hall of Fame.
And there it is, folks: The future for Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, Alex Rodriguez and all the others who couldn't stand up to world scrutiny.
Just die, and all shall be forgiven.
I've fantasized buying a storefront in Cooperstown and opening The People's Hall. In its first year, we'd induct Rose, Bonds, Clemens and Arod. Then would come Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Thurman Munson and - justice at last! - Roger Maris. I gotta believe that our ceremonies would rival - maybe even dwarf - theirs.
We would not place judgments on athletes, who often failed in the categories of grace and morality. I'm thinking Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth and all the others whose dirty laundry, had they played in the modern era, would have been exposed to the world. (Hey, anybody seen Wander Franco lately? )
So, baseball has forgiven Pete Rose, eh? How bighearted! How benevolent! To wait eight months after his death, then claim all is okay. Nah. Not okay.
(Final note: Last night, I knew the Yankees were cooked after the first inning, when every batter nearly homered, and they came up with nothing. Glad I went to bed.)
(Final note 2: After re-reading this, I looked it up: Wander Franco's case goes to trial later this year. He could get 20 years for sex abuse and trafficking. The Rays are on the hook for $182 million. He won't be inducted into my People's Hall.)
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Hated Pete Rose as a player. Met him on a flight right after the Kim Gray interview. He was the nicest guy and talked to anyone and signed autographs even though it was his only source of income at the time.
I consider his story a tragedy.
Shoeless Joe even more so. So upset I never went to his liquor store in Greenville while I was working there for a while.
Surely there must be some kind of clause in the contract for conviction of a heinous felony. But maybe not. In which case, there should've been.
You know, I never liked Rose, either. I remember when a guy I worked with at the time at Hertz's ad agency got the client to run an ad honoring Pete when he set the new hits record. Full page, color, USA Today. With photos of every one of Rose's baseball cards. I still cringe at the headline..."Pete rose to the occasion." Ow.
Back then, I didn't like it. The ad, or him setting the record. Just a major league asshole.
Shoeless Joe, on the other hand, got royally screwed. Those guys played for peanuts, and even though he took the money, he didn't sabotage anything in the Series. .375, the only Sox HR, no errors...I mean, he was screwing Rothstein over, not taking a dive. And though it's hard to compare eras, I'd take him over Rose any day. Just as tough, just as committed, just not such a jerk.
Sue me. I get the "But Ty Cobb is in" rationale, but Cobb was largely a product of his time. Rose was a product of (one more time) being an asshole.
In the similar way that Boone is an idiot with no excuses.
Was Rose a nice guy like Bill Maher said Trump is a nice guy?
Can't stand either one of them. Though I'll always despise Ken Rosenthal for attacking Rose during the pre-All Star Game ceremonies. That was really shitty. The most I've ever liked Rose because he was actually the victim of the twerp.
You met Shoeless Joe on the same or different flight, UsT?
My take (unpopular here) is that while Rose deserved sanctioning for his actions, his punishment was many times more severe than what society doles out to many white collar crimes. On the basis of his on-field play he should’ve been enshrined many years ago. It’s the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Saints, and its roster is already replete with miscreants of all varieties. Duque is correct in pointing out the hypocrisy now that MLB is in bed with legalized gambling. I believe the steroid era villains will be there one day too. The difference of course is that they are and have been eligible for election; and they likely deserve election even if they didn’t used banned substances.
Regarding Franco, are the Rays really on the hook for that contract? MLB contracts have morality causes in them as boilerplate which would surely cover Franco’s patently immoral conduct. Recall that the Yankees were able to slip out of the final year of Ellsbury’s contract via good ol’ undisclosed negotiations.
But enough of all that. Last night's game showed that good pitching can easily shut down our unbalanced, porous lineup. Good to see LeMahieu come back with a strikeout, he fits right in with rest of the awful infield.
I don't understand why no one is talking about the other guys Manfred opened the door for ...
"The league said in a statement that 17 deceased individuals disciplined since the founding of the Commissioner's Office are impacted by the announcement: Eddie Cicotte, Happy Felsch, Chick Gandil, Joe Jackson, Fred McMullin, Swede Risberg, Buck Weaver and Lefty Williams; Joe Gedeon; Gene Paulette; Benny Kauff; Lee Magee; Phil Douglas; Cozy Dolan; Jimmy O'Connell; William Cox; and Pete Rose."
You know, some of the guys who actually threw the World Series. Makes sense given his failure to punish the ASStros and to look the other way on Othani.
Fuck him, Fuck them and especially, Fuck Pete Rose.
Yep. What you said.
I think your point about Rose is valid. The other miscreants may have been even worse, but I only lived during Rose's time. So he's the one I learned to intensely dislike. It's not really fair to judge him apart from his on-field performance. But I can't help it.
Would that have been a biplane, AA? Or later in his life?
One could also say fuck the owners.
Yep, that would also apply.
What are….the odds, JM? Or rather, the over under
I could and would say it, right to their faces should they ever leave their ivory towers and walk amongst the people.
Yanks signed right-hander Anthony DeSclafani to a minor league contract. He’s 35 and coming off major reconstructive surgery to this pitching elbow. But he came cheap, and that’s all that matters to Steingrubber.
Put them all in. But make sure their plaques tell the whole story.
Lug nut. We already have lug nuts.
Rose could have been on a triplane. Like, I don't know, a Fokker.
Agreed with that point Pub.
This team is wearing tatters
I see the team is sleepwalking through Getaway Day as usual.
Judgie just woke up
The Yankees Won
Doug K., to play for this team you must be tough tough tough tough...
So on Pete Rose: I gotta disagree with mosta youse guys, much as I respect you and your arguments.
I think this is the road to hell. All right, a very high circle of hell. But still.
People do bad things now, and people did bad things way back when and it was overlooked or forgiven. So therefore, all bad things should be forgiven now.
Um...how does that work, exactly?
This how I felt when Ronald Reagan gave Whittaker Chambers the Medal of Freedom (an individual who Trumpus wants to put in his "Garden of American Heroes").
Really? If a foreign agent had ever come to me and asked me to betray America, I would have run to the closest cop shop of FBI office. Where's my Medal of Freedom? Where's my statue?
Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame? In that case, so does everyone who ever played in the major and didn't cheat. So does everyone who ever played the game on any level. So do all of us.
Seriously. I get that the Hall is about the game on the field—not the conduct of anyone on their own time. But still: all of us have supported the game, loved the game, chipped in our hard-earned money to support the game, took our loved ones to see the game, spent all sorts of time following the game.
Where are our plaques in Cooperstown? Where is even a symbolic plaque to "The Fans"?...
...Did Pete Rose's gambling do damage? The truth is—we don't know. We won't know for many years to come. Maybe we'll never know.
Could it be that there was a promising young pitcher who blew his arm out because Pete Rose had a bet down, and overworked him? Maybe. We don't know. The pitcher probably doesn't know himself.
Is there some kid, right now, who dreams of making the Hall but likes to gamble? Will he try to contain his habit—or just indulge it, thinking, 'Hey, Pete Rose got away with it.'
There may be. We won't know.
What we do know is this: When there are no REAL penalties for doing anything, from shoplifting to murder, betting on games to juicing, fixing games to fixing elections...people will do those things.
We already live in a country where, increasingly, the rule of law is a joke. Storm the Capital, get a few people killed, shit all over the floor of the people's temple...no biggie. Your pardon will be waiting.
Do we want our favorite diversion to be that, too? Apparently. Some joke.
This x100
Hoss, perfectly OK to disagree. I wish we had more difference of opinions here sometimes. But I would say that Rose DID get punished. To be ostracized from the game he loved, with a tremendous resultant loss of income, annd denied the Hall. Again, I don’t excuse what Rose did. I’m not a gambler, have to be coerced into a $10 SB box, and I hate the growing influence of legalized gambling on professional sports.
Maybe booner is laying bets against the Yankees. Might explain a lot!
Anyway good win today, Warren was impressive and late power is always welcome.
Horace, I've seen you several times, and you don't resemble Trump. So, how could a foreign agent confuse you with him? In any event, if you contacted the FBI now to expose the corruption initiated by another country, Kash Patel would have you on the next plane to an El Salvador torture prison.
Presidential pardon and priestly indulgences. Which is the better bargain?
Yikes - very well said, Hoss
Hoss has a persuasive argument there. My objection to putting Rose in the Hall was based on intangibles. Hoss adds to that.
Hoss, where does that leave Shoeless Joe and the rest of the guys on Manfred's list? I'm guessing they also shouldn't be allowed in the Hall, though a greater distance in time does, emotionally, soften the crime.
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