Sunday, October 22, 2017

Posted by el duque at 9:44 AM


23 comments:

ranger_lp said...

LOL...looks like someone turned off the vacuum tube TV.

October 22, 2017 at 11:11 AM
JM said...

http://respect-mag.com/2017/04/willie-randolph-returning-managing-baseball-little-bit-frustrating-havent-opportunity-yet/

I've been wondering for a long time where Willie Randolph is and why nobody has hired him for anything.

It's really weird, at least in my opninion.

If Hal is smart and does not tender Joey Binders a new contract, why not Willie? I'd love to see him in pinstripes again. I think the kids on the team would like him a lot, too.

But of course, they'll probably bring Idiot Boy back, since they're mostly idiots themselves. A shame.

Maybe we should start a campaign....

October 22, 2017 at 11:12 AM
JM said...

Look at it this way. Our owner is an ass and our GM is a boob. Why not a Willie in the dugout?

October 22, 2017 at 11:51 AM
Anonymous said...

Why not Willie in the dugout? Because he was a terrible manager with the Mets--so bad that he's never had another major league offer. Even Buck canned him as a bench coach in Baltimore after a one-year stint.

Why lunge to the nearest big name rather than to the best talent? That's very Steinbrennerian.

October 22, 2017 at 2:05 PM
Anonymous said...

https://youtu.be/NbN5Q-Na66U

October 22, 2017 at 3:31 PM
TheWinWarblist said...

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October 22, 2017 at 4:46 PM
TheWinWarblist said...

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October 22, 2017 at 4:47 PM
The Ghost of Yankees Past said...

While Joe is not perfect, he is a very good choice to manage in NYC. When you look at the past several years the team out performed the talent they had. You can nitpick some of his tactics,but the culture and characteristics of the team are a reflection of his leadership. He has demonstrated the ability to manage both young and veteran players. The Yankees should resign him.


October 22, 2017 at 4:59 PM
Anonymous said...

Ghost of Yankees Past:

The team did NOT outperform the talent it had this year--not by a long shot. According to the Pythagorean method for computing how many games a team should have won (based on run differential), the Yankees should have won 100 games this year--and won only 91. That minus 9 figure is the largest deficit of any major league team. Although there are other variables that can skew this disparity--especially luck--it seems impossible to discount managerial/coaching deficiencies with so large a gap between expected and actual results.

See the expanded standings at Baseball-Reference:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2017-standings.shtml

October 22, 2017 at 5:24 PM
Anonymous said...

I think we've had enough of your liver. Time to find some new material.

October 22, 2017 at 5:25 PM
JM said...

It's remarkable that as bad a manager as Randolph has the same exact win percentage as Girardi, albeit in fewer seasons. I suppose he's so bad because of that season the Mets folded like a deck of cards at the end. He took a lot of flak for that, but like most managers, supporters say the mgr doesn't take the field and detractors say everything that happens is the manager's fault. He also finished first once and made it into the LCS. Buck is a well-known hardass prick so no surprise they didn't get along.

Regardless, I don't think it's a bad idea, but is highly unlikely. Joe will doubtless come back. But the idea that the Yankees would ever hire the best candidate is laughable given Torre and especially Girardi, so whatever.

Doesn't really matter, since few managers make a huge positive difference. Most choices are neutral (Torre) to negative (Girardi). And look at the top of our organization ...they'd never hire someone better than they are because they think themselves brilliant, so the last thing they'd do is hire someone who has an approach that's much different than theirs. Moot discussion. Just floating the Willie idea for fun, though I don't think it'd be a bad idea, as I've said.

October 22, 2017 at 5:45 PM
TheWinWarblist said...

Could Girardi actually be worth minus 9 wins? I mean we all know he sucks, but minus 9 WAR for a manager has to be some sort of historic season, no?

October 22, 2017 at 6:00 PM
Anonymous said...

Yeah, Warblist, imho, he most certainly COULD be worth minus 9 wins - - I think it was actually more than that: in my tally, he likely cost us 12 or 13 losses, directly.

Even last night, I think he made a poor tactical move, which cost us badly: when he removed CC, look at who was coming up in the Ass-tro's line-up: Altuve, Gurriel, Gattis, etc...all those guys LOVE hitting fast-balls, and dislike slower stuff and breaking stuff; I realize that Kahnle was a bit more rested than most of the other relievers, but he's basically a 2-pitch pitcher, who relies on his fast-ball WAY more than others. At that juncture in the game, the result might have been quite different, had he decided to go with a finesse-type (or "junk" pitcher, or "nibbler". We HAD one of those who fits those terms to a 'T': Sonny-Boy...so what was Girardi "saving" him for?? Nest year?? Likewise, as the game progressed: when Kahnle blew up, Joey regressed to his habit of taking the guy who had looked really bad last appearance, and running him back out there to "straighten him out", and brought in D-Rob. Fortunately, D-Rob is a veteran, and he kept it together...and who else did he use?? Adam Warren, who has pitched very little the past month. I think Joey was luckier than he deserved, using that duo...so WHAT, pray tell, was he saving Chapo for?? Again, was it for next year??

Granted, if we couldn't hit Morton's, or McCullers, Jr.'s breaking-balls, and couldn't punch home even ONE run, what the hell is the diff??

Things might have been diff, though, if Joey hadn't green-lighted Sancho when he was up with 2 outs, and a chance to tie it...Morton & Gattis simply out-smarted him, and induced soft contact. UGH.

I am NOT looking forward to more years of Joey Blue-Binders' mis-management - - I don't care WHAT the Gammonites say, or the YES-men. Fuck all of them!! LB (No J)

October 22, 2017 at 7:48 PM
Anonymous said...

WinWarblist--The Pythagorean formula just measures expected vs. actual result. It doesn't attempt to ascribe any reason for the disparity, much less to pin the whole thing on the manager, so it's not really a managerial WAR rating. I personally feel that Girardi's erratic style of managing and handling players--along with his sour temperarment--account for a good measure of the deficit, but no one can quantify that. And his deficiencies have nothing to do with the "binders" nonsense--every good manager or coach in every sport consults various charts during the game to help guide decisions. It was obvious last night that Girardi was paralyzed, waiting far too long to lift both Sabathia and Kahnle when they were first faltering in a game 7--he should have acted BEFORE the roof fell in, not after. That's just wilting under pressure--losing one's bearings, a subtle form of panic--that has nothing to do with binders or not using binders.

October 22, 2017 at 9:45 PM
Stang said...

I think the Yankees upper management is a bit of an old boys' club and that the Steinbrats favor people their father knew. I don't see them firing a guy who managed a rebuilding team to Game 7 of the ALCS

October 22, 2017 at 10:00 PM
Anonymous said...

THEY WON'T FIRE GIRARDI NOW.....NO WAY.

THEY MIGHT HAVE IF WE DIDN'T BEAT CLEVELAND AFTER GIRARDI'S MELTDOWN.

I AGREE WITH ALL THAT THINK GIRARDI SHOULD HAVE ACTED BEFORE THE ROOF CAVED IN, BUT AS USUAL, HE DIDN'T..... HE ALWAYS WAITS ONE OR TWO BATTERS TOO LATE...JUST ENOUGH TO PUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON OUR CHANCES.

HE WAS LATE WITH SABATHIA, AND LATE WITH KAHNLE.

I WAS STUNNED HE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE WARMING UP EARLY BECAUSE IT WAS SO OBVIOUS SABATHIA DIDN'T HAVE IT...EVERYTHING WAS UP....RUNNERS WERE ALL OVER THE BASES. EVERY INNING SEEMED TO BE A BAD INSTANT REPLAY, YET NO ONE WAS GETTING READY.

BOTTOM LINE?

DO WE REALLY WANT TO TRUST OUR TEAM TO A MANAGER THAT WASN'T SMART ENOUGH TO CHALLENGE THAT FOUL BALL CALL?..... I STILL CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE DIDN'T? EVEN HIS EXCUSE, "I SCREWED UP." , DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS CASE.

JOE NEEDS TO GO, BUT WON'T.

October 22, 2017 at 10:32 PM
The Ghost of Yankees Past said...

Anonymous,

Sorry if I find the Pythagorean method of looking at the performance of a team as an example of a directional statistic vs and hardnumber like batting average or on base percentage. Trying to equate runs scored and run allowed to the number of wins a team should have is a fuzzy number.The game is to complex for it to have any definitive meaning in my opinion. You need to look behind analytics like that . Let’s look at the LCS. The Yankees out scored the Astros, 22 runs to 20 . Yet the Astros won. Must be the manager! Or maybe the Yankees scored 18 of the their runs in three games and in the four in Houston they scored only 3 runs total.

October 22, 2017 at 10:50 PM
HoraceClarke66 said...

I agree, ALL-CAPS. I think our best hope is that Jeter makes him an offer he can't refuse to go to Florida.

But I can't believe Jetes would be that dumb.

October 22, 2017 at 10:53 PM
Anonymous said...

Ghost of Yankees Past--22 runs to 20 runs is essentially a wash, and the Astros won by only one game. Besides, it's too small a sample to be meaningful. The Pythagorean formula claims only to be a useful metric, not key to any ultimate reality. And, I repeat, it does not claim to be a measure of managerial performance. I don't know how many times and in how many ways I can state this before you finally stop claiming that that is what it is or purports to be.

October 22, 2017 at 11:05 PM
HoraceClarke66 said...

Re Willie Randolph as manager: I know all the Mets fans hated him. He didn't seem that terrible to me.

2006, Game 7 in the NLCS: Jose Reyes hits a ball on the screws—right to an outfielder. Beltran takes that third strike. That's Willie's fault?

The next year, sure, the team collapses down the stretch. So they fire Randolph. The next year...the team collapses down the stretch again. Then falls apart in the years after that.

And then he never gets hired again.

October 22, 2017 at 11:09 PM
Anonymous said...

One such fatal collapse might be happenstance. Two in a row is spitting the bit.

October 23, 2017 at 12:14 AM
HoraceClarke66 said...

Yes, but the point is, the second happened WITHOUT Randolph. Which implies there were greater problems with the team. Which there were, as it then fell apart in 2009.

Willie was made the scapegoat, but the Mets had and have YUGE organizational issues. They are a big-market team, pretending to be a small-market one.

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