Conflicted about this. A good guy plagued by a stick up his butt, Girardi may not be the most creative leader, but he never failed any integrity tests. Good luck to a man with a good heart.
Who is more qualified than our own El Duque? He knows the game. He bleeds Yankee blue. Alphonso for bench coach. The Black Swan can be the trainer. "He sprained his ankle. I give him 3-5 weeks... to live!"
All caps as stadium announcer. NOW BATTING AARON JUDGE!
And Win Warbler as 3rd base coach. RUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well they say Cash and Company wants to go the analytics route and just have Joey Binders hand down orders. And that Joey Binders had to take the heat when the "numbers" didn't work.
It's easy to armchair quarterback some of Girardi'a worst moments, but the fact is, any time Joe had a semblance of a team he took it further than it had any reason to go. This includes in 2009, this year, and with the Marlins.
To me, there's a case to be made that he's better than Torre when you factor in the results and the quality of their respective teams.
Who else is available that has this kind of proven track record of over achieving? I don't want to hear anything about Tony Pena. No real track record and the baserunning this postseason was one of our worst attributes.
The most simplest point here is that, if it ain't broke, you don't fix it. We sure as hell weren't broke this year.
The Steinbrenner kiddies' foolishness won't just hurt due to our loss. This may well end up being a competitor's gain. If Girardi ends up making those blue and orange imposters out by the auto body shops in Queens better it will be heartbreaking.
We should all be very, very upset and unabashedly #ProGirardi.
Maybe the Dusty Baker, Don Mattingly, or Torre 3.0 helmed Yankees will be fantastic, but it's a dice roll. We had the bird in the hand and are stupidly lumbering towards the bush.
I will never be convinced this wasn't a mistake, but looking at the desolate field of other options, I see only one person I'd be remotely excited about --- A Rod.
The Yanks will not hire an old time manager like Baker or Mattingly or LaRussa. It'll be a young guy who will be told by Yankee Brass who goes in the lineup, who pitches in the rotation and who comes in out of the bullpen. My first thought was how management worked in the HBO series Carnivà le.
I admired A-Rod. He only wanted to be the best A-Rod he could be. He didn't care if he was a natural A-Rod or a chemically enhanced A-Rod, as long as morphed into a better A-Rod. An A-Rod for the A-Ages. Tell me, you haters. Wasn't he the A-Rodiest A-Rod of all time? Damn right he was!
A-Rod knows the game very well and supposedly works wonders with the kids (and we're all about da Kids). But he's hated by Yankees management and the NYC press. he would be excoriated on a daily basis. Too much of a distraction, I'm afraid.
A-Rod made $600 million as a player and is firmly entrenched into his celebrity/television host lifestyle. NO WAY HE WOULD LEAVE THAT TO MANAGE THE YANKS...
Girardi could’ve gotten one more year and I would not have been upset. A-Rod is a moron. Pena I like. They hire Kevin Long, I do not know if I will watch any Yankee baseball next year.
You'd be back, 13bit. you're just like the rest of us; hopelessly addicted to Yankees baseball. You'd like to look away sometimes but you just can't. It's only the rare bird, like Alfonzo, who can put his Yankees obsession on hold (during an improbable post-season run!) for the small pleasure of something as mundane as rubbing elbows with non-English speaking foreigners. (all those moldy castles, empty Cathedrals, and musty museums... UGH!) I'm not saying you'd do something as outrageous as that, 13bit, but you get the picture.
I'm with you 13bit, Kevin Long as manager would be a joke. I'd take Randy Levine over him.
Obviously we are all overlooking the obvious.
Finally there is an opening for the Master. He's a long shot, but if we can get some momentum going for him then we can finally realize a goal until now we've saved for game 162 every season. Give me the Master or give me death.
I'm glad he is gone. He was a bit too robotic for my tastes and never shown any real fire. I felt they should have kept Torre on a few more years but they wanted Girardi obviously because he would blindly follow the teams wishes without any question. Torre was getting a little bit too rebellious towards management but the fans loved him, so they low-balled him on his contract which made him ticked off and he left. Sadly I know that the replacement will be a same emotion-less tool for the Yanks as Girardi as they want a total YES man in charge.
What's likely to happen is that they'll find a younger Joe version 2.0 to complement such a young team. Someone that they can relate to rather than a guy some 20 to 30 years their senior. Someone without much of a career in managering as that seems to be the trend these days. He'll come cheap and eager to obey every command and desire of his master. Honestly do you really need a career if you're just going to blindly follow the wishes of the team without question?
And really they could hire just about anyone now and the team will surely become a dynasty team winning championships despite how bad he really is. I remember hating Torre when he was hired because he was a pretty lousy manager before the Yanks. In theory they could hire just about anyone and he'll become a successful manager as it'll be pretty hard to mess the team up with all that talent.
Either way, it's a good thing for Joe. I could tell that around year 3-4 that the job was sucking the life away from him. You could see him getting sickly, older and weaker over the years. That the team was aging him fast. I was pretty surprised that he stuck around for the his last contract resigning as he really did seem to need time off to be with his family and such. I was getting pretty fed up about hearing about his daughter and braces and that sort of stuff too. Honestly it didn't seem that he was entirely happy doing his job but it became such a routine that he didn't know to stop. I hope he takes a few years off and stays home with the family.
"Hey, wasn't A-Rod universally crucified for declaring he was opting out of his contract during the World Series?"
I think it's really a different situation. When A-Rod made that announcement it was actually something that could have waited whereas the Yankees (and Boston) needed to start their managerial search as soon as possible as other teams were signing potential candidates.
A-Rod didn't have to pick a team ASAP so it was perceived as grandstanding as opposed to necessity.
There is a very good chance the Yankees don’t get a manager as good as Joe Girardi to replace him. The list of candidates being put forth in the press argues in support of this view. Perhaps Al Pedrique is that good , but not having exposure to him make it hard to assess that. Hopefully Cashman has a plan. I would expect he does as he seems like a thoughtful guy. In any event , he needs to find a 10 out of 10 as he just fired a very good one. Not an easy task.
According to the NYT and other articles, the Yankees had to get permission to make this announcement and announcements like this can only be made on WS travel days. What was also interesting was that the permission request had to be in by yesterday.
I don't recall the circumstances behind ARod's announcement, but perhaps he didn't follow these protocols.
On that subject, ARod needs to spend a few years as something like a hitting coach and prove that he has what it takes before anyone considers him as a manager.
I feel bad for a Girardi, the person. But I'm ok with this (as anyone who participated in the post-season chats knows). His bullpen and lineup management really seemed to deteriorate over time. I agree it'll be hard to replace him, but so it goes. After every great (or at least, well-laureled) Yankee manger's departure, the team won multiple World Series (whether or not it was sponsored by YouTube) shortly afterwards. So if this team is ready, they'll do the same.
As for candidates, I think Pedrique deserves a shot, and they should at least talk to Willie Randolph. Or maybe Ray Searage (Pirates pitching coach) - he seems to know how to fix ex-Yankee pitchers and if nothing else, maybe he can do the same for Toonces.
ALL-CAPS, I agree that A-Rod should not be the manager.
Nor should Ruth have been manager—though the Yankees, as is too often the case, treated him with unnecessary cruelty.
First, they said he should go down to the minors and get some experience. Ruth refused. Some years later, he relented, saying he would take a minor-league assignment. The Yankees basically said, 'Just kidding, and maybe you should go coach some youth team somewhere.'
Okay, fine, so you can see the Yanks not wanting to risk their finely turned minor-league system with the Babe (though in those days, they usually had something like 25 teams—and Ruth, for all his cavorting, was actually a very astute student of the game).
But you'd think somebody else would have taken a shot for a couple years. All those teams back then that never had a shot, and barely drew a thousand a game at the box office: the Braves and Browns, Senators and Phillies...nope. They just let him go.
Well!! I have been helping fuel the "ditch Girardi" movement for 8 1/2 years, on this blog, plus the Daily News blog and the Yanks' MLB blog. Now that I've gotten my way, I'm almost speechless: I figured after we got within one game of the Big Show, we'd be stuck with him & his rigidity & arrogance (at least, with the press) for multiple more years.
At this point, I am not going to gloat; instead, I am going to wish Joe all the best in his future endeavors - - and I'm going to hope that this move saves a few strands of my hair, which I might otherwise have torn out - - and that it will save me from much hoarseness, shouting at the big screen in my den - - and scaring the cat.
As a replacement, I am very intrigued by the possibility of Al Pedrique - - he knows most of the younger players' strengths & weaknesses, and has, seemingly, done a wonderful job preparing them for the Big Show. I don't live where I can routinely see SWB games, but I trust Duque & the other Syracusians, etc., who have seen them fairly often, and have found much to admire, as per this blog. Let's give him a shot.
At this point, I may even stop ragging on Cash-Puss (at least until he pulls the next Vazquez/Igawa/Vernon Wells/etc., move, or trades away our future for the present)...
LBJ, I seem to recall that A-Rod's opt-out annoucement came during the late innings of a WS game - - I believe THAT was why people were so chuffed at him - - he was hogging the spotlight away from the players who deserved the attention, I believe.
OK, I just checked that A-Rod/Bore-Ass stunt: I was correct, it came during Game Four of the 2007 WS - - Oct. 29th, 2007 - - and seems to have pissed off everyone within sight & ear-shot...including me. I was damned disappointed when Hank & Hal re-signed him, instead of letting him walk. LB (No J)
I was not really an A-Rod fan—who was?—but we needed him, and thanks to the re-signing, we managed to get what was (finally) his most clutch year, and our only World Series victory since 2000.
Would a more imaginative GM have let him walk, and used the money to put together some other winning configuration?
Sure. But that more imaginative GM was not our GM, the man who would seriously have tried to make Bubba Crosby our full-time centerfielder if the Red Sox had had the sense to re-sign Johnny Damon—the man who DID make Chris Stewart our starting catcher for a year.
They let A-Rod walk, and chances are we're playing Cody Ransom all year at third in 2009, and wouldn't that have been fun?
The fact that, afterwards, the Steinbrenner clan was stuck with big, overpriced salary? Boo-hoo.
I really want the world to know about this great man who brought back happiness into my life again after my husband left me and the kids 3 years ago for another women online when i contacted Dr Believe he cast a love spell for me within 48 hours my ex husband start calling me and begging for forgiveness for everything that have happened between us. I was so happy to have my family back together with love again here is the email of Dr Believe via believelovespelltemple@gmail.com a man with the great powers you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348156148821 God bless you I am very grateful for your help in my marriage.
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That was going to be tomorrow's Yankeetorial
write it anyway, brother. seems like the Yanks are behind the eightball now in the new manager sweepstakes. who is out there to poach?
Bet Joey winds up back in Miami.
DUQUE! LOST YOUR PHONE MUMBER CALL ME!
Considering the way that baseball recycles old managers—at least the white ones—there is probably tons of talent out there,
just waiting for a chance.
Maybe Torre is tired of shuffling papers for MLB???
Bring Donnie Baseball back home!
Promote. Al. Pedrique. Now.
I SECOND AL PEDRIQUE.
WATCH FOR ROB THOMSON TOO...
NO DONNIE BASEBALL! EVER!...NO NO NO NO! ...I LIKE HIM BUT I WANT TO WIN!
I FORGOT TONY PENA AS WELL...
I BELIEVE IT WILL BE EITHER OF THOSE 3...
PENA, THOMSON, OR PEDRIQUE.
Conflicted about this. A good guy plagued by a stick up his butt, Girardi may not be the most creative leader, but he never failed any integrity tests. Good luck to a man with a good heart.
They should hire in-house. Rob Thompson or one of the minor league guys.
Al Pedrique - Al Perduque? Per El Duque!
Who is more qualified than our own El Duque? He knows the game. He bleeds Yankee blue. Alphonso for bench coach. The Black Swan can be the trainer. "He sprained his ankle. I give him 3-5 weeks... to live!"
All caps as stadium announcer. NOW BATTING AARON JUDGE!
And Win Warbler as 3rd base coach. RUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just sayin'
Doug K.
Well they say Cash and Company wants to go the analytics route and just have Joey Binders hand down orders. And that Joey Binders had to take the heat when the "numbers" didn't work.
Hey, wasn't A-Rod universally crucified for declaring he was opting out of his contract during the World Series?
But now, both NY teams and the Sox fire their managers at the height of the postseason and there's not a murmur.
As usual, one set of rules for players, another for management.
I am absolutely apoplectic about this.
Mark my words, we are all going to regret this.
It's easy to armchair quarterback some of Girardi'a worst moments, but the fact is, any time Joe had a semblance of a team he took it further than it had any reason to go. This includes in 2009, this year, and with the Marlins.
To me, there's a case to be made that he's better than Torre when you factor in the results and the quality of their respective teams.
Who else is available that has this kind of proven track record of over achieving? I don't want to hear anything about Tony Pena. No real track record and the baserunning this postseason was one of our worst attributes.
The most simplest point here is that, if it ain't broke, you don't fix it. We sure as hell weren't broke this year.
The Steinbrenner kiddies' foolishness won't just hurt due to our loss. This may well end up being a competitor's gain. If Girardi ends up making those blue and orange imposters out by the auto body shops in Queens better it will be heartbreaking.
We should all be very, very upset and unabashedly #ProGirardi.
Maybe the Dusty Baker, Don Mattingly, or Torre 3.0 helmed Yankees will be fantastic, but it's a dice roll. We had the bird in the hand and are stupidly lumbering towards the bush.
As our president is so fond of saying, Sad!
I will never be convinced this wasn't a mistake, but looking at the desolate field of other options, I see only one person I'd be remotely excited about --- A Rod.
I am at least 85% serious about this.
To all you unbelievers: Proof of the power of prayer.
Who knew that Danny Tartabull ended up as a PR flack?
The Yanks will not hire an old time manager like Baker or Mattingly or LaRussa. It'll be a young guy who will be told by Yankee Brass who goes in the lineup, who pitches in the rotation and who comes in out of the bullpen. My first thought was how management worked in the HBO series Carnivà le.
I admired A-Rod. He only wanted to be the best A-Rod he could be. He didn't care if he was a natural A-Rod or a chemically enhanced A-Rod, as long as morphed into a better A-Rod. An A-Rod for the A-Ages. Tell me, you haters. Wasn't he the A-Rodiest A-Rod of all time? Damn right he was!
A-Rod knows the game very well and supposedly works wonders with the kids (and we're all about da Kids). But he's hated by Yankees management and the NYC press. he would be excoriated on a daily basis. Too much of a distraction, I'm afraid.
A-Rod made $600 million as a player and is firmly entrenched into his celebrity/television host lifestyle. NO WAY HE WOULD LEAVE THAT TO MANAGE THE YANKS...
Girardi could’ve gotten one more year and I would not have been upset. A-Rod is a moron. Pena I like. They hire Kevin Long, I do not know if I will watch any Yankee baseball next year.
You'd be back, 13bit. you're just like the rest of us; hopelessly addicted to Yankees baseball. You'd like to look away sometimes but you just can't. It's only the rare bird, like Alfonzo, who can put his Yankees obsession on hold (during an improbable post-season run!) for the small pleasure of something as mundane as rubbing elbows with non-English speaking foreigners. (all those moldy castles, empty Cathedrals, and musty museums... UGH!) I'm not saying you'd do something as outrageous as that, 13bit, but you get the picture.
I'm with you 13bit, Kevin Long as manager would be a joke. I'd take Randy Levine over him.
Obviously we are all overlooking the obvious.
Finally there is an opening for the Master. He's a long shot, but if we can get some momentum going for him then we can finally realize a goal until now we've saved for game 162 every season. Give me the Master or give me death.
I'm glad he is gone. He was a bit too robotic for my tastes and never shown any real fire. I felt they should have kept Torre on a few more years but they wanted Girardi obviously because he would blindly follow the teams wishes without any question. Torre was getting a little bit too rebellious towards management but the fans loved him, so they low-balled him on his contract which made him ticked off and he left. Sadly I know that the replacement will be a same emotion-less tool for the Yanks as Girardi as they want a total YES man in charge.
What's likely to happen is that they'll find a younger Joe version 2.0 to complement such a young team. Someone that they can relate to rather than a guy some 20 to 30 years their senior. Someone without much of a career in managering as that seems to be the trend these days. He'll come cheap and eager to obey every command and desire of his master. Honestly do you really need a career if you're just going to blindly follow the wishes of the team without question?
And really they could hire just about anyone now and the team will surely become a dynasty team winning championships despite how bad he really is. I remember hating Torre when he was hired because he was a pretty lousy manager before the Yanks. In theory they could hire just about anyone and he'll become a successful manager as it'll be pretty hard to mess the team up with all that talent.
Either way, it's a good thing for Joe. I could tell that around year 3-4 that the job was sucking the life away from him. You could see him getting sickly, older and weaker over the years. That the team was aging him fast. I was pretty surprised that he stuck around for the his last contract resigning as he really did seem to need time off to be with his family and such. I was getting pretty fed up about hearing about his daughter and braces and that sort of stuff too. Honestly it didn't seem that he was entirely happy doing his job but it became such a routine that he didn't know to stop. I hope he takes a few years off and stays home with the family.
Horace,
"Hey, wasn't A-Rod universally crucified for declaring he was opting out of his contract during the World Series?"
I think it's really a different situation. When A-Rod made that announcement it was actually something that could have waited whereas the Yankees (and Boston) needed to start their managerial search as soon as possible as other teams were signing potential candidates.
A-Rod didn't have to pick a team ASAP so it was perceived as grandstanding as opposed to necessity.
Doug K.
Please not A-Fraud, and PLEASE not Dusty Baker!
There is a very good chance the Yankees don’t get a manager as good as Joe Girardi to replace him. The list of candidates being put forth in the press argues in support of this view. Perhaps Al Pedrique is that good , but not having exposure to him make it hard to assess that. Hopefully Cashman has a plan. I would expect he does as he seems like a thoughtful guy. In any event , he needs to find a 10 out of 10 as he just fired a very good one. Not an easy task.
According to the NYT and other articles, the Yankees had to get permission to make this announcement and announcements like this can only be made on WS travel days. What was also interesting was that the permission request had to be in by yesterday.
I don't recall the circumstances behind ARod's announcement, but perhaps he didn't follow these protocols.
On that subject, ARod needs to spend a few years as something like a hitting coach and prove that he has what it takes before anyone considers him as a manager.
I feel bad for a Girardi, the person. But I'm ok with this (as anyone who participated in the post-season chats knows). His bullpen and lineup management really seemed to deteriorate over time. I agree it'll be hard to replace him, but so it goes. After every great (or at least, well-laureled) Yankee manger's departure, the team won multiple World Series (whether or not it was sponsored by YouTube) shortly afterwards. So if this team is ready, they'll do the same.
As for candidates, I think Pedrique deserves a shot, and they should at least talk to Willie Randolph. Or maybe Ray Searage (Pirates pitching coach) - he seems to know how to fix ex-Yankee pitchers and if nothing else, maybe he can do the same for Toonces.
ITS RIDICULOUS TO THINK AROD COULD EVEN BE HALF OF A CANDIDATE TO BE THE YANKEES MANAGER.....
IT'S ALMOST THE SAME THING AS WHEN BABE RUTH WANTED TO BE YANKEES MANAGER.
HE CAN BARELY HANDLE HIMSELF....
THERE IS NO WAY HE CAN EVEN BE CONSIDERED....
ALMOST EVERY PLAYER HATES HIM!
HE COULD NEVER COMMAND ENOUGH RESPECT!
I AM ABSOLUTELY CONFIDENT THIS TEAM WILL 100% BE FINE WITHOUT JOE GIRARDI.
IF YOU WATCH EVERY YANKEE GAME (AS MOST OF US ON THIS SITE DO), YOU REALIZE THERE IS NOTHING TO FEAR WITHOUT GIRARDI AS MANAGER.
THINK....
WHAT DID GIRARDI REALLY BRING TO THE TABLE THAT NO ONE ELSE COULD?
THINK....
THINK HARD....
WHAT?
IT REALLY IS CRAZY TO THINK GIRARDI HAS SOME "SPECIAL QUALITY" THAT HELPS US WIN MORE GAMES.....
IT JUST ISN'T SO.
WE WILL BE FINE WITHOUT HIM.....
.....AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK WE WILL BE GREAT WITHOUT HIM.
WATCH.
ALL-CAPS, I agree that A-Rod should not be the manager.
Nor should Ruth have been manager—though the Yankees, as is too often the case, treated him with unnecessary cruelty.
First, they said he should go down to the minors and get some experience. Ruth refused. Some years later, he relented, saying he would take a minor-league assignment. The Yankees basically said, 'Just kidding, and maybe you should go coach some youth team somewhere.'
Okay, fine, so you can see the Yanks not wanting to risk their finely turned minor-league system with the Babe (though in those days, they usually had something like 25 teams—and Ruth, for all his cavorting, was actually a very astute student of the game).
But you'd think somebody else would have taken a shot for a couple years. All those teams back then that never had a shot, and barely drew a thousand a game at the box office: the Braves and Browns, Senators and Phillies...nope. They just let him go.
Well!! I have been helping fuel the "ditch Girardi" movement for 8 1/2 years, on this blog, plus the Daily News blog and the Yanks' MLB blog. Now that I've gotten my way, I'm almost speechless: I figured after we got within one game of the Big Show, we'd be stuck with him & his rigidity & arrogance (at least, with the press) for multiple more years.
At this point, I am not going to gloat; instead, I am going to wish Joe all the best in his future endeavors - - and I'm going to hope that this move saves a few strands of my hair, which I might otherwise have torn out - - and that it will save me from much hoarseness, shouting at the big screen in my den - - and scaring the cat.
As a replacement, I am very intrigued by the possibility of Al Pedrique - - he knows most of the younger players' strengths & weaknesses, and has, seemingly, done a wonderful job preparing them for the Big Show. I don't live where I can routinely see SWB games, but I trust Duque & the other Syracusians, etc., who have seen them fairly often, and have found much to admire, as per this blog. Let's give him a shot.
At this point, I may even stop ragging on Cash-Puss (at least until he pulls the next Vazquez/Igawa/Vernon Wells/etc., move, or trades away our future for the present)...
LBJ, I seem to recall that A-Rod's opt-out annoucement came during the late innings of a WS game - - I believe THAT was why people were so chuffed at him - - he was hogging the spotlight away from the players who deserved the attention, I believe.
What's not to like about the Autumn?? LB (No J)
OK, I just checked that A-Rod/Bore-Ass stunt: I was correct, it came during Game Four of the 2007 WS - - Oct. 29th, 2007 - - and seems to have pissed off everyone within sight & ear-shot...including me. I was damned disappointed when Hank & Hal re-signed him, instead of letting him walk. LB (No J)
I wasn't.
I was not really an A-Rod fan—who was?—but we needed him, and thanks to the re-signing, we managed to get what was (finally) his most clutch year, and our only World Series victory since 2000.
Would a more imaginative GM have let him walk, and used the money to put together some other winning configuration?
Sure. But that more imaginative GM was not our GM, the man who would seriously have tried to make Bubba Crosby our full-time centerfielder if the Red Sox had had the sense to re-sign Johnny Damon—the man who DID make Chris Stewart our starting catcher for a year.
They let A-Rod walk, and chances are we're playing Cody Ransom all year at third in 2009, and wouldn't that have been fun?
The fact that, afterwards, the Steinbrenner clan was stuck with big, overpriced salary? Boo-hoo.
I really want the world to know about this great man who brought back happiness into my life again after my husband left me and the kids 3 years ago for another women online when i contacted Dr Believe he cast a love spell for me within 48 hours my ex husband start calling me and begging for forgiveness for everything that have happened between us. I was so happy to have my family back together with love again here is the email of Dr Believe via believelovespelltemple@gmail.com a man with the great powers you can also call him or add him on Whats-app: +2348156148821
God bless you
I am very grateful for your help in my marriage.
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