Sunday, August 2, 2015

Has the Yankees' refusal to trade prospects exposed a rift in the fabric of the Yankiverse?

At River Ave, the prolific, thoughtful, and generally lucid Mike Axisa is not happy. He says Brian Cashman blew it.

I’m in the camp that thinks the Yankees have a wonderful opportunity in front of them — seriously, can you expect Mark Teixeira and Alex Rodriguez to hit like this again next year? — and they should have been willing to trade a top or prospect or two to bolster with an impact player, say Price or Ben Zobrist or whoever. I’m glad the Yankees were willing to make Jorge Mateo available for Craig Kimbrel for a few reasons, including the fact shortstop is a position of depth in the system...(Also, Mateo is sooo far away from MLB. He’s not going to have an impact anytime soon and lots can go wrong.) Every report indicated the Yankees wouldn’t move their upper level prospects and me, personally, I would have been more open to moving them.

Listen: I love Axisa, read him almost every day, even though technically, he sort of works for the Empire - (River Ave is owned by YES.) Yesterday's post got me to a-thinkin'... 

Every millennial I've spoken with says the Yankees should have traded prospects, while the old farts like me say we were right to hold our cards.

The easy conclusion - beyond chalking this off as anecdotal - is to picture us old farts as we are: Crotchety and creepy geezers who bluster and fume into our creamed corn about "the hard times," when Jay Buhner, Al Leiter, Willie McGee, Fred McGriff, et al, were traded for hula hoops. But here's the reality: Those deals are now nearly 30 years in the past. With the exception of Jesus Montero - who went for a comparable young player - Brian Cashman has never conducted the kind of prospect yard sales that Old George, in his Mel Hall deliriums, once fostered. (Yes, there is the Mike Lowell trade, and the Lance Berkman debacle - Jimmy Paredes and Mark Melancon - but for the most part, we haven't gone there.)

So consider this rift in the Yankiverse:

Old fans disagree with young fans about trading young Yanks for old ones.

Are the youngsters right is recognizing that Yankee pennant opportunities are fleeting, so we must  strike when we have the chance?

Or are they simply doomed to repeat the past?

Honestly, I donfukkino.

We lost last night. I guess that means today, the "Trade 'Em" camp has the upper ground. Still, I applaud Cashman's guts by sticking with his cards.

Believe it or not, there are worse fates than losing a season. Flip a couple future stars, and you can lose a decade. I'm not trying to sound wise and all-knowing here. I just don't want to be sitting in a home at age 80, screaming at the nurses whenever Jorge Matos comes up.


joe de pastry said...

I'm probably older than any of you. The first game I saw in person Joe DiMaggio was playing centerfield. The choice isn't simply between trade the farm for old guys or hug the prospects. It's more complex than that.
I'm glad that they are giving so many of the young guys a shot this year. I wish that some of them would have gotten to play more before getting sent back down.
But when your pitching staff is full of question marks and your key bullpen guys are being overworked and you have a shot to get an ace starting pitcher in his prime, I say go for it. I don't mean trade Severino, Judge, Mitchell, Bird and Refsnyder; if that's what it would have taken not doing it was the right thing. But I doubt we'd have had to give up any thing close to that, based on what others gave for Hamels and Price.

Anonymous said...

Sorry this is a load of B.S. el duque. Plenty of us young guys wanted the Yankees to hold tight.

Though I agree with joe de pastry that trading some 2nd or 3rd tier prospects for pitching help would have been fine. I've drawn the opposite conclusion from the Hamels and Price trades though and don't believe that it would have been possible...

Born in 1990

el duque said...


It's simple: You are enlightened beyond your years from reading this blog.

Anonymous said...

It's unreasonable to expect the current crop of minor leaguers to become a new "core 4", but wouldn't be nice if staying put in 2015 does bring us back to the future. 1995 wasn't too far ago for a guy who remembers Horace Clarke! Win one now or win 4 starting in a year or 2? That's what Gene Michael did 20 years ago!

tonyfreece said...

I have read these articles by L Duqui for a long time and I am just glad that Yankee Management DOES NOT take his advice

el duque said...


I don't claim to be right - only to care.