Sunday, May 24, 2020

Plague Theater: The Legend of Joba

Posted by el duque at 7:15 AM



Always loved him.

6 comments:

HoraceClarke66 said...

Another sad, sad story.

I have to say, awful as it was for the Yanks to fire Joe, that was his worst moment of his managerial career—and maybe the worst moment of major-league umpiring in the history of the postseason.

Among other things, while struggling with the gnats, Joba hit Victor Martinez with a pitch. If he'd hit him in the head, done serious damage, would that have all been such a big laugh?

Yet another circumstance where if it had gone the other way, in the Yankees' favor, it would have been treated as a war crime.

May 24, 2020 at 12:26 PM
HoraceClarke66 said...

Another sad, sad story.

I have to say, awful as it was for the Yanks to fire Joe, that was his worst moment of his managerial career—and maybe the worst moment of major-league umpiring in the history of the postseason.

Among other things, while struggling with the gnats, Joba hit Victor Martinez with a pitch. If he'd hit him in the head, done serious damage, would that have all been such a big laugh?

Yet another circumstance where if it had gone the other way, in the Yankees' favor, it would have been treated as a war crime.

May 24, 2020 at 12:27 PM
TheWinWarblist said...

I could not agree with you more completely.


I could not agree with you more completely.



Fuck you MLB.

FUCK YOU MLB.

May 24, 2020 at 12:52 PM
JM said...

Torre was great when his team was great. And he was mediocre when his team was mediocre. And he was somewhere in between when the talent was somewhere in between.

I always thought he was overrated, still do, and when the team was winning it all, he wanted recognition and more money, but when the team was faltering, he wanted none of the blame and was deeply offended by a looming pay cut.

Sorry, Hoss, that's just how I see it. Of course, I'll never forgive him for the midge game, either, but his effect on the won-loss record was neutral at best. He was no Earl Weaver or Dick Howser.

May 24, 2020 at 1:30 PM
HoraceClarke66 said...

Sorry about the repetition repetition repetition...

JM, I hear ya about Torre. I thought he was often—though not always—a poor field manager. If the Yanks could have managed to have him possessed with the spirit of Casey Stengel come playoff time, I think they might have won another five rings.

Just two things:

—Having read the details of how he got fired, I think it was ridiculous. It was this shit about Cashman needing to run the team by the analytics—an approach the little weasel always abandons when he runs into trouble, and goes right back to millstone contracts.

—I give Torre huge credit for being an excellent clubhouse manager and, most of all, for being the ONLY manager who could ever stomach the Steinbrenners for that long, and form an effective barrier between them and the press.

When Torre came in, the organization was really on the verge of coming apart. George had done so much to destroy it, and he was about to do it again, in another fit of pique. Only Gene Michael and Torre, I think, prevented that from happening, and gave us some fantastic years.

For that, I'll always be grateful to him. But sure, Howser and Earl Weaver. I'd put Sparky Anderson in that pantheon, too.



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